I think we've all done stuff that we have regretted later on; I dumped a girl that competed in the Miss Missouri Pageant a few times after dating her for two years in college, Sleezy gashed his skull to the bone in a sick go-cart accident, HMW owns an Edgar Renteria Cards jersey, and I imagine Shawn has a story. All stuff that is regrettable, but it didn't kill us.
On the other hand, Mizzou RS-Freshman Safety Gilbert Moye is apparently part of one of the most dangerous gangs in America, The Crips. Definitely not the greatest decision of his life, but posting pictures of himself throwing up the signs on his MySpace page isn't a good call either. It's actually pretty disturbing (side note- 'The Crips' are brought to you by the letter 'C' as you can see with the hand signs, and they are pro-blue)... 
Not that we here at the Mizzourah office are the moral police, but is this a major problem with Gary Pinkel and Matt Eberflus' recruiting? A quick background check (i.e. Meeting with his friends) or looking on his damn MySpace page would have probably given Pinkel a few reservations before offering the scholarship. And as you can see, the final picture is Moye with booted Mizzou linebacker, Marquis Booker. Remember, Booker liked playing with guns a little too much. It seems like he and Gilbert are/were pretty tight.
I think it's a well known fact that gang life is in every town in America, but that doesn't change the fact that Moye really effed up. If Pinkel is going to take action and make the program look better, it MUST happen today. To my knowledge, Moye hasn't done anything wrong off the field, but stuff like this throws up a serious red flag.
Thursday, July 31, 2008
Gang Life in Mizzou Football
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Moye actually got arrested last fall for getting into a fight in the dorms with his roommate: http://www.columbiatribune.com/2007/Sep/20070927Spor010.asp.
And those pictures are pretty indefensible. If you're a division one athlete what makes you think putting up pictures of you flashing gang signs is a good idea?
One of the main drawbacks of being able to recruit the best players is that a good amount of the best players have serious moral issues. Not like off-field issues are anything new to this new Mizzou team. A blog called Every Day Should Be Saturday have a regular section called the Fulmer Cup name for Phillip Fulmer of Tennessee which acts as a sort of police blotter scoreboard for all of the major college football teams. As you can see here, Missouri is basically the class of the Fulmer Cup... unfortunately.
Plan on this trend continuing, if this is the kind of talent Pinkel feels we need to win... well... we might just become the Miami of the Midwest.
Like The U and Florida State in the 80's/90's.
EDSBS is one of my favorite time-sucks. I thought Bama was up in the Fulmer Cup now?
He is not throwing gang signs. He is showing everyone how big he wants his sandwiches to be. Also, is he making a duck or some kind of wierd bird in some of those shots? He might be in the quackers and not the crips, thats tru street cred...
Hey, don't feel bad, this could be a positive sign for things to come. I always say that you can't win a National Title without a few thugs on the team. See Nebraska - Lawrence Phillips. All the best.
Frankie
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Trust me - having gang members is a good thing. It means you've made it.
Yeah, Bama is up in the Fulmer Cup thanks to Jimmy John... who, when I read that story, made me hungry for a gourmet sandwich which was delicious... but Mizzou led for pretty much all of last year.
I avoid reading EDSBS on a regular basis because it just destroys my free time.
Mizzou's ranking in the Fulmer Cup is not a good indicator of the "thug" level of Mizzou. 4 of Mizzou's points on that site were because a walk-on offensive lineman keyed some cars (4 counts of a misdemeanor), 3 more for a guy speeding with some weed in the car, another for weed possession, plus mostly minor offenses otherwise. The Marquis Booker thing where he was waving the gun around drunk, yes, that was bad. Well, guess what? Booker was kicked off the team within a couple of days of his arrest. I think Pinkel is doing a good job of filling his roster with high character players.
I wouldn't say the program is out of control at all. Pinkel has had some great character guys that were/are great players; Rucker, Daniel, Brian Smith, and Brad Smith come to mind right off the top. Stull and Booker were the only ones to get the boot this offseason, and Austin Wuebbles probably came thisclose to getting 86'd as well.
I just wish when it's this damn obvious that something's a miss, that someone other than me would have caught it...preferably someone offering 4-5 yrs worth of an education at a top university for free.
Yeah the Fulmer Cup is entertaining but should be taken with an enormous grain of salt. And I agree with big head in that Moye's thugaciousness is not a good indicator of the state of our program but it is aggravating nonetheless.
But in Moye's defense, that's a pretty sick KG throwback he's rockin'
It's not a kick ass Kellen Winslow throwback though.
there is a park right by my house. in the racquetball courts, graffiti is all over the walls.
the badass gang members must have run out of spray paint, as all of the hateful messages seem to be written in sharpie.
i'm afraid to walk around at night with these gangs around. i don't know if you've ever heard of them. one side is called "the preps" while the other is called "emo kids."
i really don't know what to do, and i'm moving out as quickly as possible.
You counting the hot chick that lives next to you? I have some good pictures of her and I for my uh...own collection.
I'm not saying the Fulmer Cup is a good indicator for the "thug" level of Mizzou, but certainly (to a certain level) exemplifies the moral ambiguity that exists in this Missouri team that could not be found in all but one football program.
It is something that's intended for fun, and shouldn't really be taken that seriously. At the same time, however, I do believe it shows something in this team that I am not happy about. Oh well.
Share the love, Big Head. We're all skeevey internet types that are not above pleasuring ourselves to pictures of random women that may or may not be above the legal age.
I mean... nope, that's what I meant.
wow not in a million years would i've thought i be so popular this is gilbert responding to all the comments in pictures, you know nothin about me and nothin about my lifestyle so dont judge. yes that is me and the pictures are from highschool thanks for acknowledge them though. yes i was part of a gang and never thought i would get a opportunity to play college football or attend college. were im from there was a lot of worse things to worry about then gangs you had things such as kkk for those who didnt know still exist. we all found ways to stick together. im not a bad kid never get in trouble avoid bad crowds and such it was just a bone head mistake puting those pictures on web from the comments yall act like i started the crips and went on a worldwide killing spree but i can take that this is what i signed up for there's no one to blame but myself. student athletes as well as coaches sacrafice alot to be in this business and making changes is part of the business and i've slowly changed my life no one in this world is perfect but we do make mistakes. so leave your comments say how bad of a person i am etc. but you dont know me and for the record i claim mizzou not crip
You do know that Fulmer cup recieved a large portion of its points from the Basketball team. If you didn't realize that they had quite a few issues last year on an 11 person team. When you have a near 100-person team you probably will have a few incidents. The Fulmer Cup is a joke anyways. Go to ESPN.com's front page and see all of the arrests made at different schools. Mizzou isn't one of the most recent, I would say pinkel is doing just fine.
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The Fulmer Cup hardly is a good indication of the level of control a coach has over his program. Points are awarded for each charge, no matter how minor.
John Stull and Xavier Booker are the only football Tigers (out of 85 scholarship guys and who knows how many walk-ons) who did anything serious. Each has been dismissed. This is hardly a culture encouraging misbehaving athletes.
EDSBS's Fulmer Cup is a joke.
As for Moye... dumb mistake, but it could be worse. He didn't hurt anyone, he didn't flash any illegal weapons or cash, and he didn't rap about it, either.
Not exactly the same situation as Jarboe, or even Stull or Booker.
Like I said before, Moye hasn't done anything illegal, and if he has changed the lifesyle, good for him. I don't have a problem with him, and if it was Chase Daniel with a swaztika on his T-shirt or something about the KKK, it would have been equally disturbing. Everyone has the chance to change, and there's been too much of this shit going around: Jarboe, Douglas from Iowa last year, and someone from VTech last year (I think) doing dumb shit like this. All of them committed crimes. Booker and Stull deserved to be booted for their arrests, Moye hasn't been arrested for anything relating to the pictures, and that's why he hasn't been booted off the team.
I don't think anyone was judging Moye, just saying it was dumb. I think everyone agrees on that.
I doubt that the post above is really Moye, but if it is, how the heck does someone who writes like that pass high school, much less get into a university?
As to the matter at hand, I'm not really comfortable with people being judged for legal acts described in pictures and prose on sites like MySpace. Some people may find certain acts immoral or unethical, but I think it's more unethical to judge these subjects based on the sorts of things they publish on the internet
Okay, I don't know how many times I need to say that I know it's a joke until everybody understands that I know it's a joke.
Jesus. I know it's a joke and it's for fun.
I hope Gilbert Moye gets it before he has to endure a life-altering situation that dictates change.
But when you are young, who knows.
As proof, please read:
The Winds of Change by Toriano L. Porter
The winds of change had swept through my boy Leo Moody so quickly, so briskly, that I had a hard time believing it was real.
I mean, it was only a few hours before when we had had the time of our young lives binge drinking, pot smoking and tactically plotting our enemies' demise.
Although we were five deep at the time of the accident, it was only Moody and me at Regional Hospital. Everyone else was spread out at other emergency rooms across the metro.
Moody set the wheels in motion.
"Thank you, God, thank you Jesus," Moody had painstakingly screamed from the throes of Regional's emergency room. "For I know you saved us God, father Lord, you saved us."
Consider for a minute Moody was a pot-smoking, beer guzzling, skirt-chasing, college football playing, gang-banging, weed-dealing, crack-slanging, hustling fool, the phrase 'Thank you, Jesus,' was as foreign to me as a South St. Louis youngster - like myself - taking up space in Russia, China or Japan.
Moody uttered the phrase shortly after the both of us had arrived at the hospital. Although I knew deep down the pain was real - everything about the homeboy was authentic - the phrase still threw me for a loop.
Trauma - especially the trauma Nose, Eric, Terry, Moody and I had just experienced - will knock you off your rocker for just a tad.
Laying up in that emergency room was a life-altering ordeal, so I could pardon Moody's sudden outburst. We were so close to death that God was probably the only thing that could have saved us.
Still? Gangster Moody, though?
I rejected Moody's conversion for the longest time. Who would I tote up with? Drink with? Cajole the females with? Hit the blocks with?
Shortly after that December, 1994 disaster, Moody went back to the community college in Illinois he was home from when we had our accident. I had left the City to play baseball at Jefferson County Community College in Hillsboro, Missouri. Moody and I talked often. One day, he called.
"I’ve changed my life, bro," Moody calmly said, as confidant as he was the first time I had met him during our recruiting trip to Central Missouri State University in Warrensburg some two years before. "I done gave up drinking, smoking and all that. I'm out. I'm out the game, bro."
In my own selfish way, I didn't want to hear that. I wanted my homeboy to be that same effervescent, outgoing ladies' man he had been since I'd known him. I still wanted him to bang those blue and gold gang colors, tote pistols and smoke the finest cheeba with me, his boy. I wasn't sure if I could handle a straight and narrow Leon Moody.
I put his newfound faith to task during that phone call. I knew he was in Palatine, Illinois playing ball for Rainey Harper Junior College, but he'd soon visit St. Louis again. He had too. That's where his family and friends resided.
"Aw'ight," I strongly countered, "that's all well and good, but them Six-Dukie niggas ain't gonna want to hear that shit, cuzz. What happens if one of them cats we been beefing with run up on you and you ain't bangin' no more. Huh, cuzz?"
"You know what, bro?" a cool as ice Moody said. "I'm going to leave that in God's hand that if them brothers see me they gonna have it in their hearts to know I ain't with that stupid stuff no more. I'ma leave in God's hand, you know?"
And with that, I knew the gangster Moody was no longer. I knew he was legit and I would never question his faith again.
Nice post Anon. I agree, anyone can change, and I'm a guy in my mid-20's. Looking back at what I was doing in college to what I'm doing now, I naturally became more mature. Had to; bills don't pay themselves. Most gang members are dead, in jail, or grow up and get out. I'm hoping Moye becomes the latter for sure.
What Moye was did was not smart, being that he is a D1 football player but you have to remember he is still young and youngsters do things without thinking, but I sure you Gilbert Moye is not in a damn gang, i been knowing him all his life Jasper Tx. he is a great athlete and is very respectful. When particular young african Am. do boneheads things people tend to run with it and this is an example damn chill out aint that serious but was dumb. But Moye is a good kid
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